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Phone Hacking Trial: Jury Hears Kuttner Police Interview – Martin Hickman

Stuart KuttnerDay 31:  One of the News of the World’s most senior executives had not even realised phone hacking was possible before the arrest of the paper’s royal editor seven years ago, the hacking trial heard today.

Managing editor Stuart Kuttner told detectives interviewing him that he had been “shaken by the deception” of Clive Goodman, who had paid the private detective Glenn Mulcaire to intercept phone messages.

The court has previously heard that some of the News of the World biggest stories came from the interception of mobile phone messages, such as the hacking of then Home Secretary David Blunkett in 2004.

However in transcripts of his interview with police in August 2011, Mr Kuttner said he had not even known before Mr Goodman’s arrest for hacking in 2006 that it was “physically possible” to hack phones.  “I was quite unaware of it,” he told detectives.

Asked if he had known that Mr Goodman had been working with Mulcaire, Mr Kuttner – whose responses to detectives were read out to the jury at the Old Bailey – replied: “Possibly, yes,” before adding: “I don’t know is the answer.”

Mr Kuttner, on trial for conspiring to hack phones, told police that he was keen to help them despite his health difficulties. His solicitor told officers at Leyton police station in Essex that a heart attack and a stroke had impaired Mr Kuttner’s short and long-term memory, including his ability to recall “detail.”

Mr Kuttner, who was managing editor of Britain’s best-selling Sunday paper until 2009, told detectives: “Look I will do my best, regardless of the heart attack and brain stem stroke…to answer your questions.

Asked where he had been in the chain of command on the News of the World, he said his role had been “sideways.” “I’m not in the chain of command,” he said. “The managing editor… is silent.

He had only “occasionally” taken an interest in stories and had a role in authorising payments but was not the most senior financial officer, he told the police,

He explained that he had been “utterly appalled” to discover the extent of phone hacking at the News of the World. Furthermore, he was “shattered” by having to attend the police interview and answer “completely unfounded allegations.”

Mr Kuttner said: “I have never knowingly bribed a policeman and I have never knowingly played a part in the bugging or hacking of any telephone and I am very shocked at what’s happened today.

Day 32:  Stuart Kuttner, a senior executive at News of the World, told police he had only heard about the paper’s hacking of Milly Dowler from news reports.

Mr Kuttner, managing editor until 2009, said at a police interview in August 2011 that his knowledge of the case was: “Only what I’ve seen in the newspapers…It sounds on the face of it quite appalling, but I don’t know anything about it,” he said in the interview on 30 August 2011, shortly after the paper’s closure.

Asked his involvement in the NoTW’s coverage of the missing schoolgirl, Mr Kuttner could only recall meeting a senior officer to discuss offering a reward.

Had he written any emails?, asked detective constable Andrea Fletcher. “It was eight, nine, ten years ago. I don’t recall,” Mr Kuttner said. “But if you say there’s an email I sent to X then I’ll say ‘fine’.”

Detective Constable Fletcher then read to him his email to Surrey police of 20 April 2002 offering the News of the World’s “tape recording” of a message left on Milly’s phone.

Mr Kuttner accepted that he must have written the email, but added: “I don’t recall writing it.”

Detective Constable Fletcher challenged him: “You made direct reference to the police to the fact that you were in possession of a voice recording…” Mr Kuttner responded: “I don’t have a detailed recollection of this.”

A few moments later, he said: “I don’t know now, nine years on, how the paper had this tape and information… I have no memory of it at all.

At the next police interview on 9 September 2011, Mr Kuttner declined to answer any further questions. In a prepared statement read, he registered his “shock and distress” at his police interviews, describing them as “long and gruelling sessions” and added that he had always striven to maintain high standards in the newspaper industry.

He denies conspiring to hack phones. The trial continues.


  1. davidhencke

    Reblogged this on David Hencke and commented:
    Fascinating evidence given by Stuart Kuttner, former managing editor of the News of the World, over the Milly Dowler voicemails and his lack of knowledge over the use of phone hacking.

  2. Mike Sivier

    Reblogged this on Vox Political.

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